Racial Profiling

[Dyna Jim]

Found this on another board and figured some might be interested in it....

Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice test. The events are actual cuts from past history. They actually happened!!!

Do you remember?

-1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
a. Superman
b. Jay Lenno
c. Harry Potter
d. Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by
a. Olga Corbett
b Sitting Bull
c. Arnold Schwarzenegger
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by:
a. Lost Norwegians
b. Elvis
c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3.During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
a. John Dillinger
b. The King of Sweden
c. The Boy Scouts
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
a. A pizza delivery boy
b. Pee Wee Herman
c. Geraldo Rivera
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger
was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:
a. The Smurfs
b. Davy Jones
c. The Little Mermaid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6.In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers
was murdered by:
a. Captain Kidd
b. Charles Lindberg
c. Mother Teresa
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7.In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
a. Scooby Doo
b. The Tooth Fairy
c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
a. Richard Simmons
b. Grandma Moses
c. Michael Jordan
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9.In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
a. Mr. Rogers
b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill' s women problems
c. The World Wrestling Federation
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10.On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade
Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.Thousands of people were killed by:
a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd
b. The Supreme Court of Florida
c Mr. Bean
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11.In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
a. Enron
b. The Lutheran Church
c. The NFL
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
a. Bonnie and Clyde
b. Captain Kangaroo
c. Billy Graham
d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Nope, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?

So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on killing us, airport
security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people. They must conduct
random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone because of profiling.

[gts]

I say let the police do their work. If you haven't done anything wrong, and have nothing to hide, then you shouldn't mind being questioned or even searched. When you think about it, the reason for these screenings is to protect everyone, including muslims of that exact age group, who happen to be traveling by plane! This kind of ass-backwards complaining about civil liberties gets me steamed :mad2: It' aint like the entire constitution is getting flushed down the toilet when a security guard is trying to do their job...

[Dyna Jim]

I say let the police do their work. If you haven't done anything wrong, and have nothing to hide, then you shouldn't mind being questioned or even searched. When you think about it, the reason for these screenings is to protect everyone, including muslims of that exact age group, who happen to be traveling by plane! This kind of ass-backwards complaining about civil liberties gets me steamed :mad2: It' aint like the entire constitution is getting flushed down the toilet when a security guard is trying to do their job...My 6 year old was randomly checked when he came back from Oklahoma last year, and he has nothing to hide. You only have your civil liberties, because someone decided to fight oppression, was willing to die, and stand up for your rights. I dissagree, I tend to think this is another loss of rights that American Citizens submit to everyday, due to policies of this nature.

If a pit bull is likely to bite, you watch out for a pit bull don't you? I know not all bite, but they get that reputation for a reason. Oh, and I hear pit bulls are illegal now in the Denver city limits. I guess PETA hasn't stood up for them yet. That's why I own a rotty.

DJ

[Turk2500]

In this case, I ignore the reference to "racial" being used in the same context with "profiling", period. The fact is that overwhelming historical data has allowed law enforcement agencies in civilized countries to generate a "PROFILE" of an individual that engages in the type of crimes identified.

Anyone that wants to hang their hat on the "racial" slant has either an unrelated agenda, or may have to experince the loss of a loved one by the hands of a "PROFILED" individual before reality hit's home.

:mad2:

[Dyna Jim]

In this case, I ignore the reference to "racial" being used in the same context with "profiling", period. The fact is that overwhelming historical data has allowed law enforcement agencies in civilized countries to generate a "PROFILE" of an individual that engages in the type of crimes identified.

Anyone that wants to hang their hat on the "racial" slant has either an unrelated agenda, or may have to experince the loss of a loved one by the hands of a "PROFILED" individual before reality hit's home.

:mad2:
I agree on the racial portion of your statement. I didn't write the above questionaire however, it does bring home a point, mine not being racially biased, but simply that profiling is not a bad thing. For instance, I'm of the age to be considered, and I due my part, one trip more than twice as a participant in the search proceedure. I didn't mind, and to me it makes sense. A 6 year old, well that's another story, to me they are wasting time, and valuable resources, that could be used to prevent further tragedy.
DJ

[NCFatBoy]

If you were of the group being profiled, your perspective might change....

[Dyna Jim]

If you were of the group being profiled, your perspective might change....
Actually I thought I was..... Male mid 30's they can search me all they want. I object to children being grouped in it.
DJ

[gts]

I think children being searched is stupid too, especially if it's just being done as a show, to convince sensitive people that it's being done "across the board." But I'll hand over many more civil liberties than that if it bags a few terrorists.

I also think that people that label others "racist" are complete hypocrites... racism is not limited to race, and those that cry about it probably look down on people from lesser economic backgrounds, or on those that participate in motorsports if they themselves prefer the earthy/crunchy path. Fact is it's human nature to hate what you don't have, and very few fail to do that.

I was walking near my house today and saw a black guy pulled over by two boston cruisers and thought of this thread. One of the cops was black... is it still racial profiling? :tard: His lawyer probably thinks so...

[Turk2500]

I agree, children don't fit the "profile" of the individual(s) that represent the highest potential threat. Time and resources should be directed toward the "profiled" risk potential, unless factual information says otherwise. Spot checking outside of an establish profile is good practice, but common sense should be part of the process.

It's unfortunate that in the present crisis the established "profile" can represent a larger population of folks that are of no threat to anyone.

[Dyna Jim]

I also think that people that label others "racist" are complete hypocrites... racism is not limited to race, and those that cry about it probably look down on people from lesser economic backgrounds, or on those that participate in motorsports if they themselves prefer the earthy/crunchy path.

GTS it's not only acceptable to look down on someone with a lesser economic background in this country, it's expected. This whole thing could be spun around and used in a context of poor vs. rich, dumb vs. smart. I didn't make it this way, nor do I agree with it. Heck a credit report in some respects determines your position in life.....

At some point you have to have some common sense (not aiming that comment at you) and decide a 6 year old isn't a threat unless proven that one has been used in a terrorist attack. I would also assume little old ladies in a wheelchair would fall into this category.

Now I can see where this could go.... Lets say these terrorist start putting bombs on 6 year olds and pushing them on a plane, or say a little old lady really isn't so old, and is wearing a disguise to look that way. The possibilities are endless, but you have to draw a line someplace and say STOP! I wan't some sanity back, and unfortunately males in these age groups are doing the deed. Should we re-name it age/gender profiling? Heck I'm used to having a greater burden for being a male anyways. :tard:
DJ

[FatboyNico]

If you were of the group being profiled, your perspective might change....



Too bad if you are of the group being profiled. Here is some food for thought; The facts are the facts and they have a choice. There is a really simple solution to escape racial profiling. Go back to your homeland. Without sounding too harsh, that is honestly what I would do if I was in another country and felt that I was being targeted in that country because of acts that my fellow countrymen did to that foreign land. As a matter of fact, I would expect to be targeted. Maybe that has to be a trade off for Freedom. Id rather be reading about bikes, but cant pass up a chance to voice my oppinion.