Python pipes

[hdfatboy02]

Does anyone have or know anything about how Pythons sound? The dual staggered with hidden crossover look great but am wondering about the sound. I currently have V&H Straightshots with Thunder Monsters installed. Do the Pythons sound deeper than the straightshots?

[gixster92]

I know you will get better info then what I will be leaving.

Fbomer purchase a pair of Pythons from CS and he is in love with the sound and quality of these pipes. He spoke so highly of them that I put them on my wishlist as a replacement for my SEIIs. If I am not mistaken, I believe V&H makes the Pythons as well.

Are you looking for the loudest pipes for your fattie?

[fbomer]

Gix is right -- Pythons Dual Staggards are made by V&H for Drag specialties. They are a twin of the V&H Dual Staggard's with the hidden crossover power chamber.

The things that makes them different are the Python stamp on the heat sheild and the absense of the end-cap's.

As for sound, I would say, not they are not any louder than a stock V&H pipe with stock baffles. But they do have a nice deep throaty "Harley" sound. if your looking to replace pipes with a Dual Staggerd look, I give the Pythons my highest reccomendation. Performance, Sound, and Looks all A+.

If you search this site for Pythons you will also see other testimony in support of Pythons.

Fb

[hdfatboy02]

I know you will get better info then what I will be leaving.

Fbomer purchase a pair of Pythons from CS and he is in love with the sound and quality of these pipes. He spoke so highly of them that I put them on my wishlist as a replacement for my SEIIs. If I am not mistaken, I believe V&H makes the Pythons as well.

Are you looking for the loudest pipes for your fattie?

Thanks for the reply. The sound that I am looking for is that deep rumble. My Straightshots with Thunder Monsters pretty much makes them a straight pipe with a little backpressure, so they are very loud. However, what I am looking for is the "ground shaking" rumble.

[hdfatboy02]

Gix is right -- Pythons Dual Staggards are made by V&H for Drag specialties. They are a twin of the V&H Dual Staggard's with the hidden crossover power chamber.

The things that makes them different are the Python stamp on the heat sheild and the absense of the end-cap's.

As for sound, I would say, not they are not any louder than a stock V&H pipe with stock baffles. But they do have a nice deep throaty "Harley" sound. if your looking to replace pipes with a Dual Staggerd look, I give the Pythons my highest reccomendation. Performance, Sound, and Looks all A+.

If you search this site for Pythons you will also see other testimony in support of Pythons.

Fb

FBomber - Does the length of the pipe and staggering make a difference in the sound? For instance, V&H Longshots, since they are long and the same length would they have a more consistent deep sound as opposed to an alternating "blat" sound from staggered shorter length pipes?

[fbomer]

The length of pipe question might be a good question for DJ.. I really don't know how to answer you on that one.

maybe hang out at a Harley dealer, or bike gathering... you will surely run into a set of Python's and you could listen and see if the sound is what your looking for.

I think pipes and sounds are a personal tastes... what sounds great to me might not be great to someone else... I would however classify the Pythons as a low toned, deep, thick growl!!! Loud enough, but not obnoxious and definetly not Tinny in any way... Make's people jump when I start it! :flamejump

[NCFatBoy]

I have V&H Bigshot Staggereds and what I have noticed it the Bigshot Longs are deeper, but not as loud. It's definitely a different sound, but not as loud.

What's been posted here is right, only difference is the encaps on the V&H, they can be set straight or turned 90 degrees for the baloney cut look.

V&H website has sound clips....

[Mike G]

I don't want to hijack this thread but this info might help you if you decide to put these pipes on your scoot.

My next door neighbor has these pipes on an 03 Heritage with the SE air cleaner kit. He has asked me to install a standard DynoJet kit without the thunderslide. He is determined to use these parts. I looked at the current jetting and it looks like the stealer just stuck a 190 main jet in and did nothing else. The bike runs pretty good but the decel pop is ugly. He has already opened and screwed with the kit so bringing it back is out of the question. Can you guys recommend some jet sizes and how many turns out for the air screw before I get stuck tuning longer than I need to?

[Mike G]

BTW to answer your question, the pipes are pretty loud to me but they sound good. To me they have a different sound than a set of V&H BSS, IMHO I think the V&H BBS have a slightly deeper tone. The neighbor on my other side has a set of V&H StraightShots on his LowRider. Both sound good but I know buy the sound who just fired up. What do I know, I’m running a FatCat.

[twobanger]

How about low restriction mufflers but not too loud?

[NIGHT TRAIN]

Friend of mine has Pythons on his bike...I liked them till he pulled the baffles out...now they make my ears bleed, and I can't stand to ride behind him.

[blondebikerchick]

I had python pipes on my softail and they sound great -- when i traded it in the shop asked for the stock pipes back because the pythons were too loud. If you search python pipes there is a you tube video with a bike starting that has these pipes on -- it is AWESOME... I have Vance and Hines on my Road King and they just aren't the same....

Blondebikerchick

[blondebikerchick]

I need to know if Python Pipes P3 will fit a dyna wide glide -- I took them off my softtail standard...

Thanks!
Ruthi

[rotoruder]

I have the Python's on my Deuce and I think they look and sound great. They do indeed have a deeper rumble. I have a D&D Fatcat on my Road King because it has a 117" engine and I needed a higher flowing pipe. The Python's have a deeper sound than the Fatcat. When I first got the Deuce there were no baffles in the Python's and it was unbearable.....I added the baffles and it sounded better and ran better with some backpressure. You might want to try Thunder Monsters in them if you get them to see what they do but I had Thunder Monsters in my Hard Krome 3" Big Straights and I took them out and did my own baffle because they did not get me that low rumble I wanted.

Hope this helps.

Rick

[djl]

I don't want to hijack this thread but this info might help you if you decide to put these pipes on your scoot.

My next door neighbor has these pipes on an 03 Heritage with the SE air cleaner kit. He has asked me to install a standard DynoJet kit without the thunderslide. He is determined to use these parts. I looked at the current jetting and it looks like the stealer just stuck a 190 main jet in and did nothing else. The bike runs pretty good but the decel pop is ugly. He has already opened and screwed with the kit so bringing it back is out of the question. Can you guys recommend some jet sizes and how many turns out for the air screw before I get stuck tuning longer than I need to?

I assume that the carb is the stock CV40mm piece and that all else is stock except pipes and A/C.

In that case, the 190 main should work fine. I believe the stock slow (pilot) jet is a 45 and should be upped to a 46 or 48 with a .040" shim under the needle or the 1988 sportster needle or the Woods KT-1 needle. From what I hear, the Dynojet kits work well with the Woods needle.

Turn the air/fuel screw in to lightly seated and back out 2-3 turns; start the bike and get it completely off the enrichener. The air screw should be adjusted while the bike is running. If you are not happy with the idle at that point, screw in, slowly, until the engine stumbles and then back out until idle is smooth again. Also remember that 1000 rpm is as low as that "A" engine should idle.

You can also check out the nightrider.com website for more tuning tips. Good luck.

Oh yeah, I run a set of Python 3s (2:1) on my 95" Deuce and love them; not obnoxious noisy, easy to tolerate on the road with a very mellow, low tone, fit and finish good. After about 8K miles, I am starting to see some discoloration where the muffler fits into the header pipe. Eventually, I will have them ceramic coated.

[tmsimmon]

I had them on my 05 Fatboy and they were loud. I put V&H quiet baffles and the tone changed to a deeper better sounding bike and I think the added back pressure did it good. I changed them to V&H True-Duals for Softails with quiet baffles and like them better.


Does anyone have or know anything about how Pythons sound? The dual staggered with hidden crossover look great but am wondering about the sound. I currently have V&H Straightshots with Thunder Monsters installed. Do the Pythons sound deeper than the straightshots?

[Indiana Dave]

Interesting thread... Newby here. Quick story... Recently, I got a look at a nice softy that pulled up and I really liked the rumble. I walked over, owner said "Pythons", shrugged, said they were on it when he bought it.

So I googled "Python" and this very thread (started in '04) popped up near the top, and the info therein pretty well told me what I needed to know. Cool! (and this thread is why I signed on... lots of good info!)

My ride- I'm running V&H Shortshots. Got these off the bay for $125...

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p316/BigD1871/IMG_1585.jpg

I really like the look, and the price I paid. But these pipes sound more like a 50's farm truck without a muffler, than a badassposerwannabe hot rod bike. :thumb:

If the budget will allow this winter, I'll make the change.

[tmsimmon]

Pythons have always been a decent pipe/muffler. I had them on my 91 Fatboy and they were nice, they discolored a little bit. they were one piece with pressed in baffles... so if they rattled you either drilled a hole and used a screw to stop the rattle or purchased new ones... the price was right.
They are all better now.

[No1Eman1]

I put python staggared duals on my wideglide last year. They are louder than the stock pipes...I really like them, and I get lots of compliments, although most prefer not to ride too close behind me..LOL! They are really loud when I get on the throttle...I got a 44 slow jet and a 170 fast jet...I drilled the hole in the slide and used the lighter spring...I have the adjusting screw about 1 1/2 turns out..bike seems to run good, but tops out at 90. If I move the needle up, the bike is rich throughout the rpm range...I'm getting just about 200 miles to a tank..oh, I also have a kuryakyn twin velocity air cleaner..hope that helps with your jetting issues...I may take it someplace and have it dyno tuned, because I have had this thing apart and back together at least a dozen times trying to get the jetting just right!...LOL!