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I just bought some, Python Quickstrikes (made by Vance & Hines. I noticed that you can see two bulges on EVERY Weld on the heat shields where they mount to the headers. WTF kind of quality control is that? The shields should be smooth. I called cyclespot.com and Jim told me that the V&H Staggered Duals are the exact same way and that Cycle Shack ( the guys who buy the Pythons from V&H ) will not warranty them for this factory defect. My stock Harley exhaust have a better finish than the Pythons.
The quality control sucks at Vance and Hines. They obviously don't care about their customers.
Anybody else notice the bad welds on their V&H or Python heat shields?
replace "cycle shack" with "drag specialties" in the post above. Sorry.
Mine are the same way and it's not as bad as you describe, unless yours are really bad. You really have to look hard to notice it.
Dyna Jim
08-19-2004, 03:37
For the record, I have these same pipes on my 03 FXDWG and they have a couple of very slight imperfections on them. Like Deuce 02 stated you have to look for it to see it. :whip:
Also for the record, I ordered a new set of heat shields for "drag" and he declined, stating he was afraid it would be the same issue and he now wanted a pro-pipe. :sick:
Fbomer, Mr502, and others here with this very same pipe, how do you feel about them?
DJ
Cycle Spot members... I love my Pythons... They look perfect to me!!! IF they have impections I can't see them (and yes my vision has been tested recently).
Drag, I think DJ made a fair offer to swap them out. If you simply don't like the Pythons I hope you simply choose something different that will work for you, and I hope you choose not to take your frustration out on DJ or Cycle Spot.
Fb
Jim: Please don't mislead. I want to stick with the Pythons. I did lots of research on the net about these pipes. It was between these and the ProPipes. I ordered Python Quickstrikes because I'm not wild about the megaphone look of the ProPipes. I suggested exchanging them for the ProPipes AS A COMPROMISE SOLUTION. I have seen the ProPipes up close and they did not have bumps on the heat shields.
My stock Harley pipes are totally smooth. No bumps what so ever. With just two exceptions, every weld on the Python shields is visible and several from across the room.
You told me that the heat shields that you were going to exchange for the ones that I have were still wrapped. Therefore you could not vouch for their quality. If they all have these factory defects I don't want them. The ones that you have may be in worse shape.
The whole purpose of the heat shield is for good looks. I left the pipes leaning against my wall for two days and would glance over at them periodically. The first thing that I saw were the weld bumps. Would people notice when I was blasting down the road? NO. Will I notice every time I look at my bike? YES.
I can guarantee that Vance and Hines will continue to produce a second rate product as long as nobody complains. I am losing money and lots of time on this purchase and I'm not a happy camper about it. I return them with regret.
Dyna Jim
08-19-2004, 04:57
Jim: Please don't mislead. I want to stick with the Pythons. I did lots of research on the net about these pipes. It was between these and the ProPipes. I ordered Python Quickstrikes because I'm not wild about the megaphone look of the ProPipes. I suggested exchanging them for the ProPipes AS A COMPROMISE SOLUTION. I have seen the ProPipes up close and they did not have bumps on the heat shields.
My stock Harley pipes are totally smooth. No bumps what so ever. With just two exceptions, every weld on the Python shields is visible and several from across the room.
You told me that the heat shields that you were going to exchange for the ones that I have were still wrapped. Therefore you could not vouch for their quality. If they all have these factory defects I don't want them. The ones that you have may be in worse shape.
The whole purpose of the heat shield is for good looks. I left the pipes leaning against my wall for two days and would glance over at them periodically. The first thing that I saw were the weld bumps. Would people notice when I was blasting down the road? NO. Will I notice every time I look at my bike? YES.
I can guarantee that Vance and Hines will continue to produce a second rate product as long as nobody complains. I am losing money and lots of time on this purchase and I'm not a happy camper about it. I return them with regret.
drag,
Your assuming the replacement heat shields won't be any better, you've heard the old saying about when you assume right? I can look at the heat shields and even if I say they are fine, you may have a different opinion right?
I offered to replace the heat shields with brand new ones. I had to replace my own a while back when BB dropped my bike and skinned mine up, and my repacements were fine. You very well could have received a worse case scenario as far as Python heat shields go, but I'm not going to stand here and tell you things are perfect. And... I can't do anything but try to replace the defective product. If you choose not to keep the pipes (as you've indicated you have) then it's your call. The heat shields are going to be here tomorrow either way.
DJ
P.S. I would go easy on slamming V&H, the are the industry leader, and sometimes even the best has quality issues, they don't mean to send out a bad product, nor do we intend for you to be dissatisfied.
Jim:
You told me that ALL the V&H Staggered Duals and Quickstrikes shields have welds that show. Exchanging my flawed shields for more flawed shields doesn't make sense. My stock Harley shields are perfectly smooth, as they should be.
"P.S. I would go easy on slamming V&H, the are the industry leader, and sometimes even the best has quality issues, they don't mean to send out a bad product, nor do we intend for you to be dissatisfied."
V&H was behind and increased production at the expense of quality. They won't clean up their act unless people complain. It's as simple as that. They know that this is a problem but they sold them anyway. Shame on THEM. They deserve to be taken to task.
I was really excited when my pipes came. My excitement turned to disgust when I saw the heat shields.
I also have the Python pipes on my bike. I have to admit that you can see the welds on my pipes also, but the light has to be just right for it to show. Compared to the SE 16 ga. I replaced, the Pythons the are a much better looking and sounding pipe
For me the weld marks just aren't that big a deal. I was and still am very satisfied with them.
Just my opinion!
Dyna Jim
08-19-2004, 06:32
Jim:
You told me that ALL the V&H Staggered Duals and Quickstrikes shields have welds that show. Exchanging my flawed shields for more flawed shields doesn't make sense. My stock Harley shields are perfectly smooth, as they should be.
"P.S. I would go easy on slamming V&H, the are the industry leader, and sometimes even the best has quality issues, they don't mean to send out a bad product, nor do we intend for you to be dissatisfied."
V&H was behind and increased production at the expense of quality. They won't clean up their act unless people complain. It's as simple as that. They know that this is a problem but they sold them anyway. Shame on THEM. They deserve to be taken to task.
I was really excited when my pipes came. My excitement turned to disgust when I saw the heat shields.
Lets see so far you've said I mislead, and now your accusing me of saying all V&H pipes are blems.
What I really said was, due to the way they attach the heat shield clamps to the pipe (welding), I've never seen a set perfect. Even the heat shields on my personal bike arn't perfect.
To be honest out of selling more than 300 sets of V&H BSS and Python pipes this year alone, your the only person to have an issue like this. You mention that you "did research before you decided on these pipes", maybe part of your research should have involved asking peoples opinion of the product before you purchased it. If you can't believe that you possibly got a product that shouldn't have been let passed quality control (and I'm not saying it is) then I can't imagine you can be pleased.
I realize you expect perfection, and thats the reason I'm not open to sending you a pro-pipe in exchange, I would rather take back one pipe than two.
You've killed the messenger in this case, I don't manufacture the product, nor do I warranty it. I offered to replace a part I've not yet seen with another one, and thats not good enough.
However you've made this a personal issue in a public place, my public place.
DJ
Jim:
First of all I really like your site and enjoyed shopping here until I got my Pythons.
I have never seen heat shields on any pipes with visible weld bumps on the outside. The whole point of heat shields is cosmetic.
You told me that "they are all that way", but I have posted on another site and people with the same pipes said theirs are totally smooth. I don't think that I'm going out on a limb when I say that the heat shields shouldn't show the weld marks, even a little bit. Some showed quite a bit on mine. I could see them easily from 15'.
I believe that Vance and Hines quality control issues should be made public. I'll tell ya I was very surprised to see these bumps when V&H goes out of their way to market their product as one with "a fit and finish like no other". I guess that's true since all other pipes are totally smooth.
But here's my main issue. It is up to you guys who sell the product to alert your supplier of problems. If you don't acknowledge a problem then nothing will change. If someone would take responsibility and promise to send me some shields that are without factory defects I'd keep these pipes. You need to alert Drag Specialties, and Drag Specialties needs to communicate this issue with V&H. V&H won't even talk to me about it.
I appreciated your help when I had a question about my bike. I regret that a V&H quality control issue has turned a mutually beneficial situation into an unfriendly one.
I guarantee that one day, V&H will fix the problem and I will be vindicated. It wouldn’t surprise me if when others learn about this defect that they too will demand heat shields without the weld bumps.
Dyna Jim
08-19-2004, 09:01
"First of all I really like your site and enjoyed shopping here until I got my Pythons."
This is my point, you burned your relationship with us over a product that we had no control over, nor did we have prior knowledge of being unsatisfactory to you before you received it.
" You told me that "they are all that way", but I have posted on another site and people with the same pipes said theirs are totally smooth."
I told you I'd never seen a perfect set, your standards may be higher than most, and others who don't see the pipes as "Flawed", may very well have the same issues you do and may not notice it.
"I believe that Vance and Hines quality control issues should be made public."
Thats your opinion, by the same token, if you believe so strongly there are quality issues why would you want to replace these pipes with another V&H product?
"It is up to you guys who sell the product to alert your supplier of problems."
Granted but one out of three hundred sets comes back as flawed, it's hard to convince a manufacturer their doing anything wrong. If it was happening every week or often at least, it would be easier to deal with it.
"You need to alert Drag Specialties, and Drag Specialties needs to communicate this issue with V&H. V&H won't even talk to me about it."
I did notify Drag Specialties about the issue and in the process got you a replacement set of heat shields. Their hands are tied by the fact they have to deal with V&H but can do nothing until they receive the faulty item back. Here again your expecting everyone to have the same standards you do. I haven't seen the product, so I can't comment on how bad it is to me, nor has the distributor.
Long story short, I can't get you an apology or gaurantee from V&H, that they will never let a pipe slip out the door thats not up to your standards. It's a simple process really, if the part isn't to your satisfaction we try to make it that way. If you choose not to accept our attempts to rectify the situation, that's your choice. You can't expect me to risk sending you another set of dissimilar pipes from the same manufacturer, on the hopes that you will be satisfied with that items quality.
DJ
NCFatBoy
08-19-2004, 09:24
Drag,
Return'em and stick with your Stock Harley Pipes.... I'm sure they look better than the V&H's....
drag,
It sounds like Jim has offered to do all he can. He has a new set of heat shields coming for you. What else do you want? It sounds like you're mad, upset, dissatisfied. All very understandable. But it also sounds like you just really want to b1tch over this. Lets take a day and calm down. Replacing the heat shields is all that can be expected of Jim. He is doing all I would expect any merchant to do, and he did it willingly. Instead of carrying on about the "defective" set you got, accept the replacements and be done with it. Everyone makes a sub-standard product sometime. It happens. Too bad you may have been the recepient of one. Jim is at least willing to "make good" your purchase.
I believe this entire sanario will not turn members against Cycle Spot, it will endorse greater loyalty since it proves that Cycle Spot is willing to do all they can for their customers.
Jim: Fair enough but when you told me that all the heat shields have visible welds on the outside, even the ones on your bike, that's when I realized that accepting your offer of replacement shields wouldn't work. But this highlights the problem. THE WELDS SHOULD NOT BE VISIBLE AT ALL, especially on a Vance & Hines product. I have contacted others who say that their Pythons are totally smooth. So this isn't just me being hard to please. This is a real quality control issue. Again: I have never seen this on any pipe, not even my crummy, stock pipes. The welds are not visible even upon close inspection.
The last thing I wanted to do was repackage my pipes (big pain in the @$$) and pay shipping to send them back...
I will wait to hear what V&H says if you think that this will do some good. If they acknowledge a problem then they may send us a new set of shields without the weld bulges.
gixster92
08-19-2004, 09:43
Drag take a picture of your defect and post it so we all can see the issue you are referring to. I believe Jim is being fair and considerate, you need to show the same curtiousy towards him. Like I said, take a snapshot and post so we can see these weld spots, especially since I am considering pythons in the near future.
Dyna Jim
08-19-2004, 09:44
Folks I apologize for all the theatrics in this thread, and normally I wouldn't do dirty laundry in public, nor let it go this far. However, knowing fully that this is going to be, or already has come up on other forums, I figured I might as well attempt to diffuse it here (or at least defend my position).
I've worked too hard to make CS what it is, to allow something of this nature to tarnish it, that's not acceptable to me. I hope you understand.
DJ
gixster92
08-19-2004, 09:47
Jim no need to apologize, it is good to see both sides of this and if it were deleted would so a sign that you are trying to hide something so I appreciate you leaving this up and running.
Drag... post that pic :)
gixster92: I already packaged the darned pipes to return and it wasn’t an easy thing to do. I forgot to take pics of the welds.... I will say this though that I could see some of them from across the room very easily. It gave the top shield an overall wavy look. If the shields were smooth I’d be jazzed about them because everything I read about the Quickstrikes is good. Maybe the welds are more visible in the house than outside, I don’t know, but I do know that they shouldn’t be visible at all.
Oh, I'm not trying to turn anybody against CycleSpot. I actually really like this site and Jim has been very helpful. The prices are good, the navigation is easy and the free advice is great! I understand that Jim cannot instantly make V&H send me a set of perfect heat shields. This could take some time. I am willing to wait and see what V&H says. If they need a pic I will take them out of the box.
I like cyclespot and I encourage people to shop here. This is just one of those things that happens when you have three steps between the manufacturer and the buyer. It was very frustrating when V&H wouldn’t talk to me and Drag Specialties just sent me back to cyclespot. At first Jim told me that Drag Specialties wouldn’t warranty this defect. I began to worry.... But we are getting it all worked out.
Jim: This got a bit personal when you implied that I just changed my mind and wanted the ProPipes instead, and used the heat shield issue as a ruse. I assure you that this is not the case. Again, I just was looking for a compromise solution. Do you think that I should wait to hear from V&H before I send the pipes back? That wouldn’t be a problem for me.
OK,
After reading all the discussion on this topic I had to go look at my pipes more closely. Upon closer inspection my pipes have what I would call a SLIGHT ripple in 1 or possibly 2 spots where the mounting brackets are welded on. There is no way I could see them from 15 feet away.
As I stated earlier I am very happy with the Python's and the service I received from Cyclespot.
As Wind stated NO company makes a perfect product everytime. All the recall notices we all read about is a testament to that fact.
I also feel Jim did all he could do in offering to replace the defective parts. Thats more than a lot of companys would do.
As usual this is just my opinion and not really sure if it's even worth 2 cents.
Dyna Jim
08-19-2004, 10:52
"Jim: This got a bit personal when you implied that I just changed my mind and wanted the ProPipes instead, and used the heat shield issue as a ruse. I assure you that this is not the case. Again, I just was looking for a compromise solution. Do you think that I should wait to hear from V&H before I send the pipes back? That wouldn’t be a problem for me."
Tim,
Vance & Hines won't be sending a new set of heat shields. They contract those pipes to drag specialties, and part of that contract is that Drag handles the customer service on them. The best you can do is hope for straight heat shields out of Drag Spec. I ordered them because the first time we talked today you said that would fix it. Then once you tried to pin me down, and get me to say they would be perfect, and I couldn't make that promise, you changed your mind (I can't control how good or bad they might be, they are what they are and in the package already).
If I open the heat shields to inspect them two things are going to happen. One I can't just return them to Drag Spec. Two they will no longer have the sticky protective foam wrapper that might make the difference in them getting damaged in shipment or not.
I would imagine they will be vastly better than the ones on your pipes, but without seeing yours I have no idea how bad they are in comparison to my own.
Mine arn't perfect, and I doubt anyone else's are either, you've seen members here say the same. Should they be perfect? Yes, but in the abscence of perfection you either take the best you can get or you choose not to take at all.
Your decision needs to be whether or not you choose to try the replacement items, or return the pipes. If these are the pipes you want, then my suggestion is to try the new shields and see if you can live with them ( I doubt V&H will change their manufacturing process over such a low return rate).
The offer is still open, and I wish you no ill will either way. But understand, as a business we are relegated to our distributor's or manufactures proceedures for handling replacement issues. I don't make the rules, nor do I have power to change them. :wave:
DJ
Jim, drag(he is a drag, too) has been whining all day, over at the zone. He mentioned you by name, there, too. I think he is twisted, and just gets off on the attention he gets when he whines about EVERYTHING.
It's obvious that you have bent over backwards, to no avail. The guy is a nutball, and will never be satisfied.
Don't lose any sleep over this. It ain't your fault.
All of the normal people here, can see that.
RIDE SAFE
RIDE FREE
:usaflag: :2guns: :gun2:
Dyna Jim
08-20-2004, 12:41
Thanks Rick,
I kinda already knew that, like I said I wanted it aired out here so I didn't have to surf the boards to find it. I sleep great, thanks for the concern though.
CS has almost 2000 Customers in it's databases in just under a year (In fact we're coming up on our one year anniversary). Out of those customers I can count the amount of dissatisfied customers without removing my shoes and socks (you know two hand thing). What this means is we have a less than 1% failure rate with our customers (I'd love to see the rate of some major corporations). Take a gander at our ebay feedback sometime (we don't do much ebay but still) 100% positive.
I wish it was a perfect world and we could please everyone. The fact is you can't, we just do the absolute best we can. The only problem is.... an unhappy customer will tell five people whereas a happy one might tell one. Unhappy customers will yell it from the highest mountain, where a happy one will casually mention it in passing.
Besides, it can't always be hearts and flowers here, can it? :mad3:
I'll cut the soap box up with a chainsaw now.
DJ
Jim, I must be different. When I am treated well, I tell everyone. I firmly believe in rewarding good experiences, with loyalty.
In his case, though, most will consider the source, when the whining starts, and ignore it.
Take care, and Ride Safe
:thumb: :usaflag:
Drag, Everyone I know who runs Pythons on their bike loves them... as Mr503, DJ and others have said... their design seems to include some visible weld marks... in that case I probably have them too, but really can't see them and don't really care to look that closely... With the Pythons mounted on my bike they look and sound spectacular to me...and I am very particular about my bikes...
Pythons have great looks, performance, and sound and all for a great price and great service from Cycle Spot!!!
Just my opinion here... but I'd take the new heat shields mount em on your bike and take them for a ride... at 75MPH I could care less what my pipes look like... besides after a few rides you'll have boot marks, pebble or branch scratches and other normal road wear to worry about...
gixster92
08-20-2004, 08:59
I am with Fbomer here. Put the shields on, and unless your are entering your bike into shows what is the problem? No body will see a weld spot at 75mph, and most people wont see them or comment on them if it is standing still. That is, unless you make a big deal out of. Get the new shields and be happy, I just wish you could show us a picture but I would hate to unbox just for a picture. You could have a legitimate issue on your hands.
hefitz04wg
08-20-2004, 11:02
Draaaggggg,
If you have a *****h, go here. I'm sure they will appreciate your input.
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Dyna Jim
08-20-2004, 11:14
It looks as though drag, is now trying to indicate that CS sells blems or seconds: http://harleyzone.tenmagazines.com/forums/topic.ten-id-56541-s-vance_hines_poor_quality_control
Not only is it impossible to purchase seconds or blems from V&H or Drag Specialties (they are destroyed if QC catches them) but CS would not sell seconds or blems even if they were available.
This comment borders on dafamation of our corporate name and good standing, and I shall pass it along to our attorney for review.
drag is hence :banned: from this board, and shall no longer do business with CS in ANY respect.
I hope you all understand.
DJ
Sounds to me like he was treated fairly by you/Cycle Spot.
The world is full of people like him... and CS/CC is better off without him...
DJ thanks for sparing us the agony of his continuing complaints... What a Drag!
Markster6828
08-20-2004, 11:56
Some people would gripe if you gave them a pot of gold !
Jim, you bent over backwards to please that jerk. I think he either wanted a freebie, a rebate, or he changed his mind, and wanted different pipes. If he was so outraged, how did he "forget" to take some pics before he boxed them up?(if he even really did box them up)
I'm glad, for one, that he's gone. We'll still be here for 'ya.
Go out to the range, and bust a few caps. You'll feel better. It always works for me.
:2guns: :gun2: :gasthrowe
Dyna Jim
08-20-2004, 12:11
You have to expect something like this being in business. Nobody likes to deal with it, and unfortunately it's part of life.
Some people (not pointing fingers here) think since they get what they want out of big corporate stores by making a scene, think the same works with smaller mom and pop company's. Well it doesn't, if we treated people badly, we simply wouldn't be in business long.
In this industry reputation is as important as good prices, and we have both. Whenever there is a problem, we do our best to make the customer happy, unfortunately sometimes you can't make someone happy no matter what you do.
When I left this thread last night to go to bed, I left it with this "The offer is still open, and I wish you no ill will either way."
This morning drag posts this on another board "I am beginning to wonder if cyclespot is selling factory seconds because he and his cohorts are mighty defensive."
It's one thing to be pissed off and not agree on a solution, it's another to go after a mans livelyhood, and thats what drag is trying to do now, smear us publicly in order to get his pound of flesh.
DJ
How hard would it have really been to open the box and take some pics to prove his case...
I'd bet there is more to this story... and we have all suffered through Drags rants and ravings on other forums...
Dyna Jim
08-20-2004, 12:23
How hard would it have really been to open the box and take some pics to prove his case...
I'd bet there is more to this story... and we have all suffered through Drags rants and ravings on other forums...
Folks, Pics really don't seem like an issue to me. I informed drag that I'd never seen a perfect set of shields on either pythons or V&H BSS, which is the truth. His shields, very well may have been worse than anything I've ever seen, and I didn't discount that.
I offered to replace the shields sight unseen ( I even ordered them in), or he could send the pipe back to us. Once I had the pipes or shields here I could deal with the vendor and manufacturer in regards to the quality. It's an instant gratification thing, he wanted something right now that I couldn't give, which was a promise he would get perfect shields.
DJ
I've just been sittin' back keeping my mouth shut as I read the comments from "acid tongue" as I have done when he pops up on the "other forum" with his bitter, asinine, and blasphemous comments.
D.J.-----you did an excellent job of trying to satisfy his "consumer issues"! :worship: Rick---I'm glad you spoke up! :beerchug:
I always come to this site to get away from the bickering about politics and religion of the Zone. I'm glad he's gone so we can keep this forum above all the rest.
OK, I'm going back to my cave now! :ignore:
Wow. Hard to believe something so simple could get escalated to such dramatic proportions. Jim, I've had a sinlge transaction with you, and based on that transaction and the invaluable insight you post on this board, I often promote Cyclespots. This thread just confirms my postion: You provide excellent customer service at excellent prices, and are most nice to deal with. Keep up the good work!
A very close friend, who unfortunately passed away in 2000, at age 56, used to have a bike shop, and he once had a bike of his, which he built himself, featured in Easyriders.
He was also a 1%er. Only his close friends were allowed in the back of the shop. He had a sign in the door to the back room, that said..."WHERE THE ELITE MEET". (I was allowed in)
I don't think he would object, if that was used here. (OK, Chet?)
This is a great place to come, and talk about our shared passion, thanks to Jim.
This is "WHERE THE ELITE MEET". I'm honored to be here.
Now that Jim has thrown out the trash, let's have some fun.
RIDE SAFE
RIDE FREE
:usaflag: :beerchug:
Kudos DJ! My only purchase from CS was nothing but a positive one. I have steered many folks to your store and will continue to do so based on my experience and the many others I have read about on this forum. Keep up the good work and excellent customer service. I also agree with Markster, sounds like if this guy won the lottery he would complain that he had to pay the taxes.
Wow,
What an *******!
I agree, Jim did all he could do to satisfy his customer.
But....some people are never happy..
He would have *****ed if you sent him a "non-blemished", set of pipes, free of charge, and showed up at his door to install them!
**** him and feed him fish heads!
Vic!!! Now your talkin my language!!! :rotflmao:
I have been following this thread on this and the other forum. And I really don't want to reopen this can of worms but, I just read on the other forum that the "drag" decided to take the pipes out of the box and take some pictures.
Then as fate would have it he decides to install them. Goes on to say that the bulges don't look so bad in artificial light and hopes they look ok in the daylight. I can't help but wonder what kind of light he was using to look at them in the first place.
:crazy:
It seems that after all the B.S. he is going to live with the bulges.
SHEESH!!!! There are no words........
:crazy: :burn:
gixster92
08-21-2004, 06:47
hehehehehe I am being a nice guy looking to buy the same pipes so I can get him send me the pictures of these so called weld imperfections... Once I get them I will post them so all can see.
Hey my Thunderheaders don't look perfect.....they run great, make great noise, but they aren't gorgeous...wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....I think Drag wanted a cute bike or something.
What AN A--hole!
He is still crying over at HZ.
I hope someone steals his ride, he don't deserve a Harley.
Bought my Python's before CS was in business and they have the same weld marks. Nobody has ever come up to me and said anything about it. This guy's full of S H I T if he says he can see them at 15' Maybe at 15"
Ocasionally (maybe once a year) I have to deal with a pain in the A S S like this and I'd just as soon give him his money back than listen to his crap.
Drag seems to be a drag. One of those guys that can't be satisfied.
The Zone is where he needs to be. :gun2: :wave:
Dyna Jim
08-24-2004, 10:31
This will be the last post on this topic, as I'm sure everyone wants it to go away.
Last I heard the pipes were coming back, now they are on the bike. I guess he'll never know how much better or worse, the heat shields sitting in my shop are than his. Im this case everyone looses.
Nuff Said
DJ
P.S. What a drag, he earned the distinction of being the first person ever to be banned from CC.
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